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LL
London Lite Founding member


The main killer is its adherence to BBC Local Radio's Dave 'n' Sue format. Cabbies aside, London's Dave 'n' Sues are often in the suburbs and don't really identify with the rest of the capital in the same way - something which would affect any London TV station's attempt to chase the same audience. Indeed, in many parts of London will be able to get surrounding BBC stations in the Home Counties that they'll identify with more closely, especially on DAB. (Indeed, many of Greater London's Dave 'n' Sues wouldn't even consider themselves London residents anyway.)


On DAB I have BBC Surrey, which is a largely networked service from Brighton based BBC Sussex, with local breakfast and a 'newshour' from Guildford and BBC Radio Kent. The latter has older listeners from SE London in areas which were part of Kent until 1965, so is common to hear contributions from listeners in Bexleyheath .

In general, I'm not a fan of BBC local radio outside London either. There's too many fluff features, middle of the road music, where you're guaranteed to hear Phil Collins in an attempt to stay 'local' and dull interviews.

However, ironically the networked late shows are largely excellent. Paul Miller who broadcasts from Radio Solent, is heard on Kent and Surrey among others across the South of England who is warm, friendly and does features which work in that slot. The same can't be said for Duncan Barkes in the same slot on Radio London.

LR works when there's a big news story or severe weather, but outside of Breakfast/Drive, what is the use for it? John Myers was commissioned to compile a report of radical reforms which were largely ignored by the BBC hierarchy.
JO
Jon
I think the legacy of that is the network evening show?

Although from memory think that was pretty much done from a commercial radio perspective. So the idea of of a report like that I imagine is not taking it all at face value but using it as an overall plan.
CI
cityprod
In general, I'm not a fan of BBC local radio outside London either. There's too many fluff features, middle of the road music, where you're guaranteed to hear Phil Collins in an attempt to stay 'local' and dull interviews.

However, ironically the networked late shows are largely excellent. Paul Miller who broadcasts from Radio Solent, is heard on Kent and Surrey among others across the South of England who is warm, friendly and does features which work in that slot. The same can't be said for Duncan Barkes in the same slot on Radio London.

LR works when there's a big news story or severe weather, but outside of Breakfast/Drive, what is the use for it? John Myers was commissioned to compile a report of radical reforms which were largely ignored by the BBC hierarchy.


BBC Local Radio is basically designed to be middle of the road, bland and inoffensive. Often the biggest issues I find with BBC Local Radio are at Breakfast and Drivetime, and some of the best stuff they do, is outside of those times. Probably the best show on BBC Radio Cornwall right now is David White's mid morning programme from 9am to Noon. Probably the most popular show right now, is Laurence Reed's Lunchtime programme from Noon to 3pm. Take those out of the schedule, and you're left with pretty boring programming in the key slots.

I'm no fan of the network evening show, I think it's the worst thing to ever happen to the BBC Local Radio network, and by trying to stick rigidly to the daytime ratio of speech to music, you're filling the time with output that really doesn't belong at that time of day. Evening programming, if it's not sports, should be music led, with appropriate speech content as necessary.

Some of the best content I've ever heard on radio or seen on TV, has been on the fringes of or outside of the mainstream. Some of those interviews and features have been fascinating. Others have been complete car crashes, but in their way, equally interesting. It's often said that the most damning thing you can say about speech content, is that it's worthy, but dull. Every time I've seen London Live, it's felt worthy, but pretty dull, which is not really a good way to promote a vibrant city.
JO
Jon
So don't do worthy but bull, do the local news and information service that would be utilised across the city.

I'm harping on about this but I think it would really work.
LL
London Lite Founding member
Every time I've seen London Live, it's felt worthy, but pretty dull, which is not really a good way to promote a vibrant city.


We've seen London Live attempt to target both ends of the spectrum with both ends. The more 'vibrant' end with the appalling Not the One Show and the worthy with London Live News which has nowhere near the budget BBC London News and ITV News London have and they still don't have a viable audience.

Padding the schedule with 1950s Ealing Comedies isn't exactly going to help as much as the early hipster nonsense.
CI
cityprod
Jon posted:
So don't do worthy but bull, do the local news and information service that would be utilised across the city.

I'm harping on about this but I think it would really work.


It's not that simple. When you say something is worthy but dull, you're saying that a piece of useful, even essential content, is basically just not done well enough to make it interesting for viewers or listeners. If they don't have the ability to make this kind of content interesting, it's difficult to justify the airtime.
JO
Jon
I don't think a news and info telly service for the capital has to be interesting it has to be there and it'll be used. If it has the weather news and travel.
JO
Jon
Every time I've seen London Live, it's felt worthy, but pretty dull, which is not really a good way to promote a vibrant city.


We've seen London Live attempt to target both ends of the spectrum with both ends. The more 'vibrant' end with the appalling Not the One Show and the worthy with London Live News which has nowhere near the budget BBC London News and ITV News London have and they still don't have a viable audience.

Padding the schedule with 1950s Ealing Comedies isn't exactly going to help as much as the early hipster nonsense.

Then they should be just be teletext with a few reports? That's what I'm suggesting will be a hit and I suspect more popular than what ever it's doing at the moment.

If one city can sustain it it is London.
Last edited by Jon on 5 July 2017 4:21pm
LL
London Lite Founding member
Jon posted:
Every time I've seen London Live, it's felt worthy, but pretty dull, which is not really a good way to promote a vibrant city.


We've seen London Live attempt to target both ends of the spectrum with both ends. The more 'vibrant' end with the appalling Not the One Show and the worthy with London Live News which has nowhere near the budget BBC London News and ITV News London have and they still don't have a viable audience.

Padding the schedule with 1950s Ealing Comedies isn't exactly going to help as much as the early hipster nonsense.

Then they should be just be teletext with a few reports? That's what I'm suggesting will be a hit and I suspect more popular than what ever it's doing at the moment.

If one city can sustain it it is London.


I doubt even an ITV Nightscreen style service would work. It's a waste of bandwidth.

Can I also make it clear that the reason I laughed earlier was not at Jon personally, rather his idea.
JO
Jon
I'm not suggesting a Nightscreen style service. I'm suggesting with a news service with the content they're producing for whatever news programming they're doing. Think it would be really useable for the venues that would use it.
JO
Jon
ESTV could put the financial crap on screen all day that wouldn't play well from the Beeb or Sky in the rest of the nation all day as well as other London centric stuff.

No one has done local telly well anywhere. Made have probably done the best effort to be fair. But I think looping is going to serve local TV better outside of London rather than selling out to the likes of Tru TV.
MO
Mouseboy33
Jon posted:
I don't think a news and info telly service for the capital has to be interesting it has to be there and it'll be used. If it has the weather news and travel.


In a few Canadian cities All-traffic radio is very popular. Have a listen to Vancouver's AM730. They mix traffic and weather all day and night 24 hours a day.
http://player.am730.ca/#/
http://www.am730.ca/

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