JA
It often turns up between the moon that signifies the end of Cbeebies Bedtime and the "Cbeebies has gone to bed" slate.
Just for a second or so, when the transmission ends, I guess.
(I watch out of necessity, not choice...thanks, kids!)
And I know that's not it being used for a breakdown, but it means we know they're still using the same one.
Just for a second or so, when the transmission ends, I guess.
(I watch out of necessity, not choice...thanks, kids!)
And I know that's not it being used for a breakdown, but it means we know they're still using the same one.
LN
Perhaps the same thing happens when CBBC goes off air, though.
CBBC does not do that. They switch between ''Duvet Reading'' closedown ident and the animated slate with a simple fade.
Perhaps the same thing happens when CBBC goes off air, though.
CBBC does not do that. They switch between ''Duvet Reading'' closedown ident and the animated slate with a simple fade.
GE
Perhaps the automation is doing things in the wrong order - it's likely that the same video server provides the breakdown slide and the off-air slate, and it's being cut to air before it's been cued to the correct content.
thegeek
Founding member
It often turns up between the moon that signifies the end of Cbeebies Bedtime and the "Cbeebies has gone to bed" slate.
Just for a second or so, when the transmission ends, I guess.
Just for a second or so, when the transmission ends, I guess.
Perhaps the automation is doing things in the wrong order - it's likely that the same video server provides the breakdown slide and the off-air slate, and it's being cut to air before it's been cued to the correct content.
IS
Yes the flash of breakdown slide at 7pm, is a deliberate warning to parents that I does exist and to imagine what hell would break loose if it was ever needed 
Or maybe it's just a quirk of timing...
As we all know Cbeebies shares bandwidth to the viewers with BBC4. At just before 7 there's some switching that reconfigures the distribution so that the channel numbers for Cbeebies switch to a caption generated from your box. At the same time the opposite happens on the channel numbers for BBC Four. The same thing happens sometime in the early morning, (5:30ish?) but in reverse
However it always used to be that both BBC4 and Cbeebies were they same output from playout, they just faded to black for a few minutes to do the above. Now however, my understanding is that for some reason they're seperate outputs and when they're not on air they show a breakdown slide.
I suspect that the brief flash of the Cbeebies slide is because the 1st switch on our boxes is happening a fraction of a second too late for the 2nd switch. Its probably dependent on receiver and platform if you see it or not. We get it on Freeview but only for a fraction of a second, literally blink and you miss it
Or maybe it's just a quirk of timing...
As we all know Cbeebies shares bandwidth to the viewers with BBC4. At just before 7 there's some switching that reconfigures the distribution so that the channel numbers for Cbeebies switch to a caption generated from your box. At the same time the opposite happens on the channel numbers for BBC Four. The same thing happens sometime in the early morning, (5:30ish?) but in reverse
However it always used to be that both BBC4 and Cbeebies were they same output from playout, they just faded to black for a few minutes to do the above. Now however, my understanding is that for some reason they're seperate outputs and when they're not on air they show a breakdown slide.
I suspect that the brief flash of the Cbeebies slide is because the 1st switch on our boxes is happening a fraction of a second too late for the 2nd switch. Its probably dependent on receiver and platform if you see it or not. We get it on Freeview but only for a fraction of a second, literally blink and you miss it
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 31 December 2019 6:33am
IS
Perhaps the automation is doing things in the wrong order - it's likely that the same video server provides the breakdown slide and the off-air slate, and it's being cut to air before it's been cued to the correct content.
The off-air slate is generated in the receiver of course, otherwise it wouldn't be off-air
Perhaps the automation is doing things in the wrong order - it's likely that the same video server provides the breakdown slide and the off-air slate, and it's being cut to air before it's been cued to the correct content.
The off-air slate is generated in the receiver of course, otherwise it wouldn't be off-air
NJ
Neil Jones
Founding member
I used to have a Freeview box that if you left it on CBeebies after it closed down at 7pm you would be able to hear BBC Four behind the off-air caption (and the same for CBBC and BBC Three) but of course that was back in the days when they literally shared the same video outputs.
Then when I first had a satellite receiver (it wasn't Freesat, it was just one of these where you hooked it up to a dish, it did a scan and picked up thousands of channels including every regional variation from every channel going - never saw so many C4+1s in my life!), when CBBC/CBeebies closed you could see it fade to black and then come back up 40 seconds later with the "BBC Three gets going shortly" slide.
Of course on the odd occasion you used to see the CBeebies DOG on BBC Four and the CBBC DOG on BBC Three, so it probably wasn't any great secret that the bandwidth was being shared...
Then when I first had a satellite receiver (it wasn't Freesat, it was just one of these where you hooked it up to a dish, it did a scan and picked up thousands of channels including every regional variation from every channel going - never saw so many C4+1s in my life!), when CBBC/CBeebies closed you could see it fade to black and then come back up 40 seconds later with the "BBC Three gets going shortly" slide.
Of course on the odd occasion you used to see the CBeebies DOG on BBC Four and the CBBC DOG on BBC Three, so it probably wasn't any great secret that the bandwidth was being shared...
MA
Then when I first had a satellite receiver (it wasn't Freesat, it was just one of these where you hooked it up to a dish, it did a scan and picked up thousands of channels including every regional variation from every channel going - never saw so many C4+1s in my life!), when CBBC/CBeebies closed you could see it fade to black and then come back up 40 seconds later with the "BBC Three gets going shortly" slide.
I stayed in a hotel once that sensibly (I think !) used a non-Freesat or Sky box to provide Cbeebies during the day, BBC 4 during the evening on the same preset on the tellies. The original proposals for BBC 4 was that it was to provide young children's programming during the day, so the splitting of output and making them seem like different channels came later.
Then when I first had a satellite receiver (it wasn't Freesat, it was just one of these where you hooked it up to a dish, it did a scan and picked up thousands of channels including every regional variation from every channel going - never saw so many C4+1s in my life!), when CBBC/CBeebies closed you could see it fade to black and then come back up 40 seconds later with the "BBC Three gets going shortly" slide.
I stayed in a hotel once that sensibly (I think !) used a non-Freesat or Sky box to provide Cbeebies during the day, BBC 4 during the evening on the same preset on the tellies. The original proposals for BBC 4 was that it was to provide young children's programming during the day, so the splitting of output and making them seem like different channels came later.
NG
Perhaps the automation is doing things in the wrong order - it's likely that the same video server provides the breakdown slide and the off-air slate, and it's being cut to air before it's been cued to the correct content.
I don't think any of the BBC domestic channels in the UK now use separate video servers and graphics boxes since they switched to Morpheus ICE? This is an all-in-one box with integrated video replay, graphics generation and sound+vision mixing all in one box, all in the IP domain (live OBs and studio feeds are converted to IP - not sure if 2022 or 2110 - upstream of the playout area now)
noggin
Founding member
It often turns up between the moon that signifies the end of Cbeebies Bedtime and the "Cbeebies has gone to bed" slate.
Just for a second or so, when the transmission ends, I guess.
Just for a second or so, when the transmission ends, I guess.
Perhaps the automation is doing things in the wrong order - it's likely that the same video server provides the breakdown slide and the off-air slate, and it's being cut to air before it's been cued to the correct content.
I don't think any of the BBC domestic channels in the UK now use separate video servers and graphics boxes since they switched to Morpheus ICE? This is an all-in-one box with integrated video replay, graphics generation and sound+vision mixing all in one box, all in the IP domain (live OBs and studio feeds are converted to IP - not sure if 2022 or 2110 - upstream of the playout area now)