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"Grade could close BBC World" - Media Guardian

...but of course that is very unlikely (July 2004)

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HA
harshy Founding member
Marcus posted:
harshy posted:
I haven't read the article, but I very much doubt the BBC will close BBC World, it's role is very significant and remains the channel which is very trusted around the world.

But no doubt BBC World does need some money, now how Mr Grade goes about it will be interesting to see, but perhaps BBC World TV should also be funded like BBC World radio is at present.


Well that's a question for the Government rather than the Governors Maybe you should lobby your MP


If it helps the BBC, of course I would lobby my MP, ultimately channels like this should make a profit as at the end of the day, more money would be ploughed back to the BBC itself!
TA
Tagesschau
BBC world is hardly a showcase for the best that BBC journalism has to offer. And my God, it's terminally dull to watch. The presenters are largely uncharismatic, the set and desk dreadful. Compare it with the better funded CNN and the Americans wipe the floor with the Beeb.
A few years ago, when you had large strands like The World Tonight etc... double headed programmes with good presenters for three hours at a time.... World was worth watching. Now it looks cheap. And, as I said, God so dull. If you're not going to do something properly, don't do it at all. Bye Bye world... it wasn't nice knowing you.
DA
DAS Founding member
Tagesschau posted:
BBC world is hardly a showcase for the best that BBC journalism has to offer. And my God, it's terminally dull to watch. The presenters are largely uncharismatic, the set and desk dreadful. Compare it with the better funded CNN and the Americans wipe the floor with the Beeb.
A few years ago, when you had large strands like The World Tonight etc... double headed programmes with good presenters for three hours at a time.... World was worth watching. Now it looks cheap. And, as I said, God so dull. If you're not going to do something properly, don't do it at all. Bye Bye world... it wasn't nice knowing you.


Don't talk dross. If it were about entertainment, BBC Would would put puppet shows on for you.

BBC World IS an international showcase for its journalism. People around the world prefer the channel for its accuracy and impartiality. And my goodness, when Fox News exists, that is no bad thing. It isn't trying to be CNN, it's being BBC World and for that it gets a decent audience. If it's so dull, don't watch it for goodness sake.
TA
Tagesschau
Don't be patronising.
World is dull and boring. And, like it or not, News must be entertaining to some extent.
As for viewers, yes it has many, many be default... it's the only service they can get. And yes, in places like India people seem to prefer the BBC. But if it had more... (ie. it was a commercial success) it would carry more commercials, and not those break-fillers. And would bring in more money... and not be "facing the axe".
As for a showcase... I'm sorry... Asia Today? Repackaged features, mostly done in house, from agency feeds. Presenters like David Eades and the angry Nik Gowing. It is simply not a good watch. ANd it talks down to its viewers. SHocking frankly.
HA
harshy Founding member
Tagesschau posted:
Don't be patronising.
World is dull and boring. And, like it or not, News must be entertaining to some extent.
As for viewers, yes it has many, many be default... it's the only service they can get. And yes, in places like India people seem to prefer the BBC. But if it had more... (ie. it was a commercial success) it would carry more commercials, and not those break-fillers. And would bring in more money... and not be "facing the axe".
As for a showcase... I'm sorry... Asia Today? Repackaged features, mostly done in house, from agency feeds. Presenters like David Eades and the angry Nik Gowing. It is simply not a good watch. ANd it talks down to its viewers. SHocking frankly.


Angry Nick Gowing, i've never seen him angry, Asia Today is a very good programme, BBC World may have it's problems with money, but I am sure the Beeb will not close it down, the channel itself enhances BBC News reputation internationally!
DA
DAS Founding member
Tagesschau posted:
Don't be patronising.


Don't throw up dross then. You've basically said you don't like BBC World because there's no pretty colours for you. And because you find it dull everyone else in the world must find it dull and therefore the channel will close. And that tells me that while I am patronising, you are thick.

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As for viewers, yes it has many, many be default... it's the only service they can get.


Yes, those many millions of people who can ONLY get BBC World on their television sets...

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But if it had more... (ie. it was a commercial success) it would carry more commercials, and not those break-fillers. And would bring in more money... and not be "facing the axe".


Now you really sound a thicko. Breakfillers are replaced by local opt-out advertisements that you don't see. While you see the breakfiller, somewhere else will be seeing an ad.

The channel is not facing the axe. Even if it were facing the axe, it wouldn't be because of its advertising. A news channel making a profit is as rare as you being rather bright. BBC World needs to look at it's funding before it gets too hot to handle. Which it isn't right now.

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As for a showcase... I'm sorry... Asia Today? Repackaged features, mostly done in house, from agency feeds. Presenters like David Eades and the angry Nik Gowing. It is simply not a good watch. ANd it talks down to its viewers. SHocking frankly.


Maybe the words they use are too long for you or something? I don't know. Perhaps clown costumes?
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Thing is you cant really compare BBC World to Fox News, because Fox News isnt a global broadcaster. Its just an American News channel that makes itself available to all. Its like if News 24 went global, it would only really interest Brits abroad. Same with Sky News really, it broadcasts across europe but only technically covers UK story's.You can however compare BBC World and CNN International. Thing is CNNi are already on their first ad break of the hour by the time BBC World has played out its opening titles.
JC
Jack Carkdale
Larry Scutta posted:
Functional Aesthetic posted:
for reasons that were all too personal to him (i.e. because he hated the show (and science fiction in general)).


As good a reason as any.
Who wouldn't , if they were in charge of a TV station, get rid of a programe they didn't like?


What? Evil or Very Mad

No, a channel controller should not be putting their own programme preferences ahead of those of their viewers! For you to suggest that this is acceptable is barmy! Rolling Eyes

The station that one may be in charge of is, say, BBC 1, not "the me channel"! Rolling Eyes

I'm sure that a channel controller's job description doesn't allow them to behave as if they're playing with Sky+

If, say, MG didn't merely dislike sci-fi, but disliked every genre of TV programme except one specific genre, do you think it would have been acceptable for him to have removed everything except, say, cookery shows (if that were his preference) from BBC1? Rolling Eyes
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Davidjb posted:
Thing is you cant really compare BBC World to Fox News, because Fox News isnt a global broadcaster. Its just an American News channel that makes itself available to all. Its like if News 24 went global, it would only really interest Brits abroad. Same with Sky News really, it broadcasts across europe but only technically covers UK story's.You can however compare BBC World and CNN International. Thing is CNNi are already on their first ad break of the hour by the time BBC World has played out its opening titles.


Indeed. I think what BBC World need to do is actually make full use of their commercial breaks. Many of them just show the breakfiller over and over again. I can only speak for Europe, but the adverts are usually only seen during peak European times - 0600-0900 CET and around 1800-2200 CET. They should be filling as many ad breaks as possible with adverts - what about 0900-1800 CET? That's a lot of time where BBC World seem to think no Europeans will be watching. If they crammed all this time with adverts they would probably make a lot more money than they currently are.

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