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IS
Inspector Sands
I used to have a Freeview box that if you left it on CBeebies after it closed down at 7pm you would be able to hear BBC Four behind the off-air caption (and the same for CBBC and BBC Three) but of course that was back in the days when they literally shared the same video outputs.

As far as us at home are concerned they still do share. It is the same video stream leaving the BBC and ending up at your set on the appropriate channel number.

The thing with hearing the output behind the caption will explain why there's a message on the caption about what to do to fix this... Presumably for when it happens the other way round and you want to watch it too

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Then when I first had a satellite receiver (it wasn't Freesat, it was just one of these where you hooked it up to a dish, it did a scan and picked up thousands of channels including every regional variation from every channel going - never saw so many C4+1s in my life!), when CBBC/CBeebies closed you could see it fade to black and then come back up 40 seconds later with the "BBC Three gets going shortly" slide.


It still does that now
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 31 December 2019 10:14am
IS
Inspector Sands

The original proposals for BBC 4 was that it was to provide young children's programming during the day, so the splitting of output and making them seem like different channels came later.

Before Cbeebies and the CBBC channel launched that was how it was done. There was a seperate pre-school channel called 'CBBC on Choice' which was on the same channel number as BBC Choice. At 7pm it went straight from pre-school to Choide's schedule
IS
Inspector Sands

(I believe the arrangement for CBBC on Freeview in Scotland is even more complicated)

Yes CBBC HD on Freeview shares with BBC Scotland HD, so if there's not a junction at 7pm CBBC ends early
TI
TIGHazard
Yes the flash of breakdown slide at 7pm, is a deliberate warning to parents that I does exist and to imagine what hell would break loose if it was ever needed Confused

Or maybe it's just a quirk of timing...
As we all know Cbeebies shares bandwidth to the viewers with BBC4. At just before 7 there's some switching that reconfigures the distribution so that the channel numbers for Cbeebies switch to a caption generated from your box. At the same time the opposite happens on the channel numbers for BBC Four. The same thing happens sometime in the early morning, (5:30ish?) but in reverse

However it always used to be that both BBC4 and Cbeebies were they same output from playout, they just faded to black for a few minutes to do the above. Now however, my understanding is that for some reason they're seperate outputs and when they're not on air they show a breakdown slide.

I suspect that the brief flash of the Cbeebies slide is because the 1st switch on our boxes is happening a fraction of a second too late for the 2nd switch. Its probably dependent on receiver and platform if you see it or not. We get it on Freeview but only for a fraction of a second, literally blink and you miss it


Sometimes if you watch BBC Four live on iplayer, you get the Cbeebies Breakdown slide if the "BBC Four returns at 19:00" disappears too early.

Surely that would mean they kept the same output for that to happen?
IS
Inspector Sands

Sometimes if you watch BBC Four live on iplayer, you get the Cbeebies Breakdown slide if the "BBC Four returns at 19:00" disappears too early.

Surely that would mean they kept the same output for that to happen?

That's the same sort of thing that happens on Freeview - the timings between the overnight caption and the correct video stream going to air aren't correlating
VM
VMPhil
And sometimes the CBBC DOG would stay on screen for a few minutes, or in some cases well into the first programme, when BBC Three took over.
RW
Robert Williams Founding member
And sometimes the CBBC DOG would stay on screen for a few minutes, or in some cases well into the first programme, when BBC Three took over.


And on at least one occasion, well into the evening...

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JF
JetixFann450
And sometimes the CBBC DOG would stay on screen for a few minutes, or in some cases well into the first programme, when BBC Three took over.


And on at least one occasion, well into the evening...

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Here's a DS article regarding that incident.

I believe there was even a moment when after BBC3 rebranded in 2008, there was another sighting of a "CBBC" dog on Top Gear.
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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
I do recall the BBC Three DOG (particular the later 2008 pink one) didn't seem to know whether it wanted to be on or not. There were many occasions of it looking undecided prior to the programme starting. Sometimes somebody would notice and it would reappear mid programme, but it was far more likely just to be left to to reset itself at the next junction and appear on the next programme.
CU
Curto21
Now to a breakdown that happened on GMTV in 2000 where Grampian TV decided to show up on Anglia before GMTV handed over to the local news.

MA
Markymark
Now to a breakdown that happened on GMTV in 2000 where Grampian TV decided to show up on Anglia before GMTV handed over to the local news.


That's very interesting, presumably the recording starts at 05:59:55 as Anglia are about to hand over to GMTV at 06:00:00, and there's a glimpse of Grampian Pres at that point too.

It looks as if BT were feeding 'up the pipe; from the London Tower to Norwich some sort of 'Preview/PST' output from Grampian's local news gallery, rather than a direct feed of GMTV station out. Anglia opt out at the 'arranged' correct opt out time, because Grampian's news reader is just about to open her mouth, and present her local news.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Thanks to the uploader of that video for adding their own subtitles, including "(SIGHS AND COUGHS)"

How did the regional opting for GMTV work? Obviously the breakfast slot wasn't the franchisee's purview, so I assume their own playout suite wasn't in line at the time. Did LNN do the lot?

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