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(February 2011)

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CI
cityprod
Jon posted:
The point is broadcaster has a responsibility to represent all sides of the argument, just be thankful they've chosen to go with a hated moron.


If it was a proper debate, there would have been facts on both sides.

But it wasn't.

One side had all the facts. All Katie Hopkins and her ilk had was ignorance, bigotry and hatred. I don't give the same weight to bigotry in an argument, than I give to facts. I give the bigotry no weight at all. And it is irresponsible of a broadcaster, any broadcaster, to give bigotry equal weight with facts.

But then, this is Channel 5 owned by Richard Desmond, who also owns the Daily Star and the Daily Express, that we are talking about, so I expect right wing bigotry to be given equal weight. Doesn't mean I agree with it.
CI
cityprod
Jon posted:
Don't make this about left vs right.

But I'd say Channel 5 are clearly attempting to create an entertainment format, rather than a debate here given the title of the show.


An entertainment format out of current affairs? That would be just plain dumb.
BA
bilky asko

A high profile member of a political party? Palin was only picked for her looks by John McCain, and she never even served out a full term as the Governor of Alaska. Her 'high profile' pretty much ended with Obama's election in 2008. After that, she became a fixture on Fox News. I think that says it all. These days, her profile is pretty much non-existant, just as Katie Hopkins will be when broadcasters get bored of her.

If you understand the meaning of the phrase "high profile", it's pretty hard to disagree that she was high profile (and, to a certain extent, still is). They're still not comparable no matter how you try and twist it.

David Icke's views are nowhere near as extreme as Alex Jones, who in terms of impact in the radio talk show scene, is still some way behind Rush Limbaugh.


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Eh? So the man who believes in the literally reptilian royal family has less extreme views than Alex Jones (who, despite his views, has expressed doubts over reptilians, even going as far as saying it's untrue)?


I think there's a lot of misconceptions about David Icke. He talks about reptilian bloodlines, rather than insinuating the Royal Family are the same breed that invaded the Earth in the V mini series. I've taken the time to listen to some of his stuff, and whilst some of it is pretty crazy, it's not extremist in the same way that someone like Katie Hopkins is a political extremist, or Glenn Greenwald. And a little of what David Icke says does make some sense. Alex Jones said that Obama controlled the weather. I mean how extreme is that? Alex Jones doesn't make sense. Neither does Rush Limbaugh or Katie Hopkins. But there's always somebody more prepared to believe them, than something that comes out of the mainstream media.


No, he literally believes that the Royal Family are shape-shifting reptiles. He has to say that because, otherwise, people accuse him of being anti-Semitic, and even he knows that doesn't wash over here.

David Icke is far more extreme than Alex Jones.
CI
cityprod
No, he literally believes that the Royal Family are shape-shifting reptiles.


Point me to where he says that, as that hasn't come up in the research I've done. I've read where he says that some of the major political and royal families have reptilian bloodlines, but not that the Royal Family are shape-shifting reptiles.
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bilky asko
No, he literally believes that the Royal Family are shape-shifting reptiles.


Point me to where he says that, as that hasn't come up in the research I've done. I've read where he says that some of the major political and royal families have reptilian bloodlines, but not that the Royal Family are shape-shifting reptiles.


http://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/mar/17/features.weekend posted:
Indeed, every individual accused of reptilian paedophilia by David Icke had so far failed to sue, including Bob Hope, George Bush, George Bush Jr, Ted Heath, the Rothschild family, Boxcar Willie, the Queen of England, the Queen Mother, Prince Philip, Kris Kristofferson, Al Gore and the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group.

"Why do you think that is?" David Icke had asked me when I interviewed him about this matter in London. Then he turned to my notepad and thundered, "Come on, Ted Heath! Sue me if you've got nothing to hide! Come on, George Bush! I'm ready! Sue me! I'm naming names! Come on, Jon? Why are they refusing to sue me?"

There was a silence. "Because they are twelve-foot lizards?" I suggested, smally.

"Yes!" said David. "Exactly!"
DO
dosxuk
And a little of what David Icke says does make some sense. Alex Jones said that Obama controlled the weather. I mean how extreme is that?


I'm pretty sure David Icke is signed up to the "NWO having weather control" idea too.
CI
cityprod
Well done. You find something I couldn't find.

But I think what's more telling in that piece, is the fact that some supposedly sensible people have really weird ideas about hidden meanings and codewords. There is a lot of weirdness about, and David Icke did attract a lot of it out of hiding.

But still, he's not as dangerous as people like Rush Limbaugh, Katie Hopkins, or Alex Jones, who get more media attention than David Icke does.
BA
bilky asko
Well done. You find something I couldn't find.

But I think what's more telling in that piece, is the fact that some supposedly sensible people have really weird ideas about hidden meanings and codewords. There is a lot of weirdness about, and David Icke did attract a lot of it out of hiding.

But still, he's not as dangerous as people like Rush Limbaugh, Katie Hopkins, or Alex Jones, who get more media attention than David Icke does.


David Icke has his own channel in The People's Voice (which he hopes to launch on Sky, I believe, based on the fact he has an Ofcom licence). He's raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for it, and it has been running for less than a year. He gets regular mentions in the mainstream media. In this country at least, Alex Jones is a relative unknown. Icke is known here and in the US, and Alex Jones gives him regular mentions on his show.

But, if you honestly think that David Icke's cult-leader-like status as the head of TPV, disseminating all sorts of scaremongering crap to his loyal followers is less dangerous than Katie Hopkins being yet another serial offence-causer like Richard Littlejohn used to be, or Nick Ferrari, or other similar prats, then you're deluded.
CI
cityprod
David Icke has his own channel in The People's Voice (which he hopes to launch on Sky, I believe, based on the fact he has an Ofcom licence). He's raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for it, and it has been running for less than a year. He gets regular mentions in the mainstream media. In this country at least, Alex Jones is a relative unknown. Icke is known here and in the US, and Alex Jones gives him regular mentions on his show.

But, if you honestly think that David Icke's cult-leader-like status as the head of TPV, disseminating all sorts of scaremongering crap to his loyal followers is less dangerous than Katie Hopkins being yet another serial offence-causer like Richard Littlejohn used to be, or Nick Ferrari, or other similar prats, then you're deluded.


How many people listen to Nick Ferrari on LBC? How many people read Katie Hopkins in the Sun? Those numbers are in the millions, compared to David Icke, whose twitter follower count is only 107k.
DO
dosxuk
A lot of David Icke's followers won't be on Twitter, because it exists simply as a way for the NWO to spy on the sheeple.
CI
cityprod
A lot of David Icke's followers won't be on Twitter, because it exists simply as a way for the NWO to spy on the sheeple.


Oh brother!

Let's get back to what matters, and that's not David Icke.

I can't believe that anybody can seriously consider that programme to be in the spirit of the rules on fairness and impartiality.

Since when is allowing bigotry on the air part of impartiality? When one side has all the facts on their side, and the other just bigotry and hatred, that is hardly fair, balanced, or impartial.
BA
bilky asko


How many people listen to Nick Ferrari on LBC? How many people read Katie Hopkins in the Sun? Those numbers are in the millions, compared to David Icke, whose twitter follower count is only 107k.

Nick Ferrari's follower count on Twitter is 27.4K, and Katie Hopkins has hardly shot ahead of Icke with 142.5K.

Twitter is not an accurate enough metric for determining popularity or how well known someone is, especially considering the NWO fearmongering factor that dosxuk rightly pointed out.

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